<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post1258051332971244581..comments</id><updated>2009-09-15T11:22:46.958+08:00</updated><category term='mobile'/><category term='node.js'/><category term='reading'/><category term='javascript'/><category term='tool'/><category term='tablet'/><category term='programming'/><category term='front-end'/><category term='ipad'/><category term='github'/><category term='gadget'/><category term='wacom'/><category term='open source'/><category term='conference'/><category term='book'/><category term='leadership'/><category term='kindle'/><category term='mvp'/><category term='pattern matching'/><category term='covariant'/><category term='module'/><category term='programmer'/><category term='iphone'/><category term='travel'/><category 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Chen</name><uri>https://profiles.google.com/109328929954841725447</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_Tb22YP08ms/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAos/S_jVbyiGD1w/s512-c/photo.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>7</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-7908605794568039218</id><published>2009-09-15T11:22:46.958+08:00</published><updated>2009-09-15T11:22:46.958+08:00</updated><title type='text'>有趣的观点. 其实, 判断的标准是以有没有伤害到个人. 用这个标准, twitter随意(随便按照自...</title><content type='html'>有趣的观点. 其实, 判断的标准是以有没有伤害到个人. 用这个标准, twitter随意(随便按照自己的意愿/算法)封禁帐号的行为是GFW没有区别. 不管有没有用户协议.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/7908605794568039218'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/7908605794568039218'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html?showComment=1252984966958#c7908605794568039218' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-1258051332971244581' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/posts/default/1258051332971244581' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1968110475'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-262216724013877949</id><published>2009-08-30T01:14:46.288+08:00</published><updated>2009-08-30T01:14:46.288+08:00</updated><title type='text'>除非你能举证说明电信运营商是在政府授意或干预下阻止你访问网络的，否则你只能起诉电信运营商，而不能说政...</title><content type='html'>除非你能举证说明电信运营商是在政府授意或干预下阻止你访问网络的，否则你只能起诉电信运营商，而不能说政府什么。</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/262216724013877949'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/262216724013877949'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html?showComment=1251566086288#c262216724013877949' title=''/><author><name>Cat Chen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17757778716179768922</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://static.flickr.com/95/buddyicons/45201686@N00.jpg?1161510808'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-1258051332971244581' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/posts/default/1258051332971244581' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-278357754'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-3033881898494108750</id><published>2009-08-26T19:09:08.742+08:00</published><updated>2009-08-26T19:09:08.742+08:00</updated><title type='text'>不太清楚你说的“不存在”是什么意思，理论上它的存在的确需要一个理由，所以美国政府要监听老百姓必须通过...</title><content type='html'>不太清楚你说的“不存在”是什么意思，理论上它的存在的确需要一个理由，所以美国政府要监听老百姓必须通过国会授权，而且在这之后还要面对随时可能发生的违宪诉讼。</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/3033881898494108750'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/3033881898494108750'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html?showComment=1251284948742#c3033881898494108750' title=''/><author><name>自由天堂</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12818775640208436936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-1258051332971244581' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/posts/default/1258051332971244581' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-402437249'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-774814864330348392</id><published>2009-08-26T14:44:48.822+08:00</published><updated>2009-08-26T14:44:48.822+08:00</updated><title type='text'>按照你这个说法，用户只能起诉电信运营商违反合同，因为电信运营商阻碍了用户访问某些网站，而GFW则是不...</title><content type='html'>按照你这个说法，用户只能起诉电信运营商违反合同，因为电信运营商阻碍了用户访问某些网站，而GFW则是不存在的，对吧？</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/774814864330348392'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/774814864330348392'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html?showComment=1251269088822#c774814864330348392' title=''/><author><name>Cat Chen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17757778716179768922</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://static.flickr.com/95/buddyicons/45201686@N00.jpg?1161510808'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-1258051332971244581' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/posts/default/1258051332971244581' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-278357754'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-8377493063002008700</id><published>2009-08-26T14:19:14.755+08:00</published><updated>2009-08-26T14:19:14.755+08:00</updated><title type='text'>当然有区别，而且是本质区别：

任何自由权利一定要与某种产权相关，没有产权也就无从讨论自由。

tw...</title><content type='html'>当然有区别，而且是本质区别：&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;任何自由权利一定要与某种产权相关，没有产权也就无从讨论自由。&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;twitter/google控制的是自己拥有产权的东西，本质上和你管理博客时删除访客留言一样，别人有发comment的权利，你也有随便删的权利。&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;当然，你也可以认为twitter/google的信息是你个人的（实际上我也这么认为:-)），也就是对这些信息的所有权有异议，那也没有改变问题的性质，因为有用户协议，理论上总是可以直接进行法律诉讼的。&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;但是，GFW就不是这样了，它控制的是公共资源，从经济学的角度来看，问题不是GFW能不能“控制”，而是它控制了不属于它的东西，这是典型的“普天之下莫非王土”的集权政治逻辑。对于这种情况，你甚至没有法律诉讼的选择。&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;顺便说一下，公司和用户之间之所以需要合约，就是要明晰产权，这个合约的保障需要强力第三方的介入，这是政府的重要作用。那么政府本身呢？除了民主制度，别无它法。</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/8377493063002008700'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/8377493063002008700'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html?showComment=1251267554755#c8377493063002008700' title=''/><author><name>自由天堂</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12818775640208436936</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-1258051332971244581' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/posts/default/1258051332971244581' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-402437249'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-472349229500091343</id><published>2009-08-24T01:37:17.426+08:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T01:37:17.426+08:00</updated><title type='text'>带来的实际工作生活影响是一样的。。。记得google高层在回答隐私保护的问题时候说过一个例子，当年刚...</title><content type='html'>带来的实际工作生活影响是一样的。。。记得google高层在回答隐私保护的问题时候说过一个例子，当年刚出信用卡的时候，需要用户提交身份资料，造成身份泄露担忧。。。so，意思是，如果可以带来足够的长远的收益，商家就不会短期杀鸡取卵的方式盈利。。。&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Twitter，google都需要考虑自己的行为影像，如果造成不便甚至恐慌会对长期发展盈利造成威胁，他们不会干的。。。但是如果你的一些行为，让她怀疑你可能威胁他的商业模式，动摇他的根基，那么高度商业文明下的企业可以做出做脏最不择手段的事情来。。。&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;说起来和GFW还真有异曲同工之妙。。。</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/472349229500091343'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/472349229500091343'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html?showComment=1251049037426#c472349229500091343' title=''/><author><name>liang</name><uri>http://yesweet.spaces.live.com/</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-1258051332971244581' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/posts/default/1258051332971244581' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1984048009'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-1243884552999616080</id><published>2009-08-23T21:09:50.812+08:00</published><updated>2009-08-23T21:09:50.812+08:00</updated><title type='text'>真是讨厌的东西</title><content type='html'>真是讨厌的东西</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/1243884552999616080'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/1258051332971244581/comments/default/1243884552999616080'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html?showComment=1251032990812#c1243884552999616080' title=''/><author><name>丁紫寒</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10842006794412228899</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://chinese.catchen.me/2009/08/twitter-suspension.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7005036.post-1258051332971244581' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7005036/posts/default/1258051332971244581' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1212092897'/></entry></feed>
